tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-262486400322098749.post6303582657192469891..comments2023-01-05T05:04:21.027+00:00Comments on Ramping & Roaring: All Women are LiarsRoaringhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13242201448202716563noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-262486400322098749.post-90959504146101021662010-06-19T14:25:05.598+01:002010-06-19T14:25:05.598+01:00But in Mad Men, they start to want Peggy's wor...But in Mad Men, they start to want Peggy's work because she knows how to sell (lie?) to women because she herself is a woman. And the men at some level seem to believe that the system itself (capitalism?) is worth serving, even at the expense of lying. <br /><br />what's intriguing is that Mad Men is showing this move where women are becoming more prominent in culture/society/work, sort of in themselves, but mainly by inhabiting a male sphere and a masculine mode of being. (Cf. Peggy <a href="http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/1/13839/36_2008/peggy-web.jpg" rel="nofollow">at the burlesque club</a> - though of course she still has to be super sexy)<br />What I wonder about is whether, as you suggest, women can inhabit the 'uncomfortably contradictory' space of a priest (which is still assumed to be male even in the CofE - I was talking to a young female priest friend of mine who mentioned how difficult it was to be constantly subverting people's image of priesthood) without compromising their integrity as women? how are we not lying about ourselves by becoming male? it's probably the same in most jobs (except perhaps stereotypically 'feminine' ones like teacher/nurse). <br />That's not to say that we should just go home and have babies, of course (unless WE really want to), but it' going to take a very long time for women to be able to be really authentic as priests. And we still have to be both things - manly enough, and sexy enough.Roaringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13242201448202716563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-262486400322098749.post-28559776846162655832010-05-28T18:21:18.751+01:002010-05-28T18:21:18.751+01:00Didn't Aristotle establish quite a long time a...Didn't Aristotle establish quite a long time ago that since an action or statement can only be perceived to be a lie in a specific context, lying always has a systemic component? I would be intrigued to see some further reflection on this aspect in your argument.<br /><br />It certainly seems to me that women priests are not in any way lying ontologically other than within a framework which is itself a lie, and uncomfortably contradictory. Priests are those that the church ordains. <br /><br />Isn't the advertising industry, for example, basically based on knowing how to lie and, even more importantly, how to make others lie to themselves and others? <br /><br />I think Mad Men does a good job of analysing this - and, interestingly, they make it clear that for the majority of the products they want to sell, they specifically want to lie to women. In Mad Men, it's all about men lying to women in order to make those women lie to their men.<br /><br />Perhaps this is the historical context that we need to refer to? Perhaps we perceive women to lie more in late modernity because they are more constantly lied to? Perhaps the perception of women as liars persists because advertising fundamentally relies on making it so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com